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To do that we have to start now. Here is my plan. Don't like it ? let's change it.

Impossible??? Only if we don't try.


Wednesday, November 26, 2008


This upcoming County Precinct Delegate Convention Dec 2nd, 7pm at Musk. comm. College in the Blue and Gold room, will see the current Precinct Delegates elect a new Executive Committee that will decide the course of the Muskegon County Republican Party for the next 2 years. At the end of that process, the Delegates can nominate and elect vaccancies in the Precinct Delegate Roster. If you want to become a PD without having to wait untill the Primary time in 2010, now is your chance.

For details please contact me at the #'s below.

Bob Carr

Who's your pick State Party Chair ???

Below is a web site I found that gives a current update on what is happening in the race for our State Chair.
I've met Jack Hoogendyk 3 times and have talked in depth with Norm Shinkle. Both seem good honest and Republican. DeVoss' candidate Wiser has entered with all that money can bring and the DeVoss endorsement. But to be noted as Norm told me. Betsy DeVoss is staying neutral in the affair. I think if we want to change the party we have to change the leadership to one with different ideas. I don't think Wiser will do that.

We will be having a chance to meet Norm Shinkle in our upcoming Precinct Delegate Convention Dec. 2nd. 7pm Musk, Comm. College. In the Blue and Gold room, main entrence one floor down. Norm told me he was coming early and we'd set up some place he could seriously talk with PDs coming to the convention. This is a good chance to meet one of these people first hand.

Here is a letter I'm sending to a few of my fellow PDs. If you want the attachment, contact me at the #s below and I'll email it to you.

Dear fellow Precinct Delegate.

Attached is an email I received from Norm Shinkle. He is a candidate for State Republican Chair. There are many putting their hat into that ring. I was told that Mr. Shinkle was expert at recruiting Precinct Delegates. That is becoming my chosen profession lately Lol.

I emailed him and later after some more emails we talked. When he found out our Convention is Dec. 2nd at 7pm at MCC he told me that he wanted to come. Better yet he wanted to come early. He wanted to not only Glad Hand people but get a chance to talk with them seriously about his campaign for State Chair and his new adopt a precinct plan already in the works.

He does seem to be a doer, a grass roots type of guy that knows two things our party really needs. How win votes and how to recruit precinct delegates.

We needed help during the last election and he of all those that could was the only one that came through from the state level.

If you want a chance to talk with him in a small group, let me know ahead of time so I can let you know of the time and place. That way I can have some time to set this up. Mr Shinkle said he would just show up a half hour or so and we could talk in a nearby room.

His web site had this about his efforts. As a fellow PD you may find this interesting.
From the viewpoint of an organizer and doer, he has the edge. Jack may have the edge with the message although they both would work well. Why don't you come and find out for yourself at least about Shinkle.

Please let me know if interested
Bob Carr

Friday, November 21, 2008

Conventions, Leaders and We The Precinct Delegates

The Muskegon County Republicans are having a County Convention for the purpose of nominating and electing a new Executive Committee. Dec. 2nd or 3rd (I’ll edit it in when I find out). The only people that can vote will be Precinct Delegates, Elected officials of the Party and those candidates or officials who ran and lost in the Nov. Election. I don’t know but will edit in the exact amount to be elected to the Executive Committee. I’ve been told it is around twenty or so.

The Committee is the body that conducts all the business of the County Party the only people with a vote on how the party works. After they are elected in on Dec2nd(?) At the same meeting the floor will be open for nominations by Precinct Delegates to fill any vacancies of Delegates in our Precincts. Anyone can be nominated for the vacant Precinct Delegate slots. I’m going to try to get out a list of vacancies to the current PDs and ask them to recruit some more. The Executive Committee will then vote on them.

Later, and I will fill in the dates as I find them out, but which I assume will be during the regular monthly Executive Committee Meeting Dec 15th a new slate of officers including the Chair will be elected by the Executive Committee.

We then will have another County Convention to pick a group to go to the State Convention to among other things pick a new State Chair.

If you want to get involved with any of this let me know. Anytime.
This ain’t a business, it’s a passion.
Bob Carr

A Precinct Delegate is on paper the strength of our Party, If you want you can help make that paper theory a reality. That is what this blog is all about. That is what is needed to rebuild this party.

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

Talking To My Self

A Sense of Humor Helps


Hey there what are you trying to do bud?

Simple, I want to Take Muskegon Back.

Back from what?

Back from the economic abyss Muskegon along with the rest of Michigan is teetering on the edge of, brought there by the Democrat leadership’s agenda. If you don’t believe me, look at an article Nick at Right Michigan wrote. It shows the case for why I’m saying the abyss is near.
So what do you think you can do here on this blog that nobody watches? In the shelter of your computer in your little shack of a house? You don’t even have a furnace, you just heat with wood.

Well guy, like Janus Joplin said “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.” I’m a lot closer to that freedom than most. Because of my humble circumstances, I find my self with a bit of a different perspective on things than some other Republicans. I feel that I might be able to offer a different slant on things. Plus I’m not of the Party, because I’m new to it, I’m not tied into the structure. There is freedom to be found there, that let’s me think new thoughts. Or at least come up with new ways to do old things. Maybe think out of the box a bit.

You got that right. You’re not only out of the box but out in left field.

Hold up there, if you are putting me out in the field I’d prefer right field.

Yeah. Yeah so you’re a real riot. A real funny guy. But I repeat what do you think you can do that the whole party apparatus couldn’t do. Just Who Do You Think You Are.

Sorry you don’t think one man can make a difference. I do. So I’ll try if you don’t mind. By the way is there anything that I can do for you today?

You’re nuts, I’m leaving I have to go to a meeting then a business lunch, I’ll donate $50 to the Sparrow club though they do great things for sparrows.

Well good for you, nice talking to you, hope you make a difference.

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative

PS. See our side bar under “Plea for Help” for an update on some of the mechanics of trying to make a difference.

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Report on Muskegon County Republican Meeting last night

click on picture to enlarge.

The meeting was held at the County Headquarters on Henry St. It was blizzardly outside and the roads were slick. As I got there around 4:15 to turn the heat up, I thought attendance would be low. Slowly people started to show up. By the 5:30 meeting time came we had a decent bunch. I would say 30 or more.

The main discussion was about the election. We had our elected officials there, Marve Engle and Bob Scolnik who were re-elected to the County Commission. (Mr. Snider our other re-elected County Commissioner didn’t show up). Some of our defeated candidates were there also. Dave Fisher, Annette Smedley, and the arch Conservative James McCormick. State Senator, Jerry VanWoerkhom was there also.

We all talked about why we lost so badly and what if anything should be done about it. There was an air of inevitability about it. Past, present and future. (Past) The Democratic wave just happened. There was nothing we could of done better that would of stopped it. (Present) What we’re doing is OK, we’ll hunker down, we’ve done it in the past. It works. (Future) It’s all a cycle our turn will come. The Dems can’t live up to their promises their organization will start to crumble. We’ll do better next time.

We heard both sides, we sounded conflicted. One stated how terrible it was McCain pulled out of Michigan. Another thought that it was a good thing because it kept Obama out of Michigan. Which he said would of made our losses worse.

Everybody including myself was understandably disheartened by the results of the election. But I like to think that we are not brain dead. Hopefully we’ll start up with some constructive ideas. Hopefully we’ll snap out of it before we let defeat becomes inevitable again.

We will be closing up the Henry HQ till it warms back up in Spring. I had a whole speech set up but from what I heard, I knew that was not the time. People would not of paid attention. That is understandable. People are still in shock. Myself included. So I just ranted loudly and pulled out my maps and all the rest of my stuff quietly. I still can’t get a price on how much it would take to donate to the Party to open the HQ up for a day if we can cook up any profitable events for which we need a spot. I still have a hard time with the idea of not using that great place with all the Republican signs and what not.

But as always I’ll fall back to my default mode. Make Do, Make It Now, Make It Work.

Muskegon Republican County Committee
December 15th, 2008, Terrace Plaza Cafeteria
as usual, 5:30

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative

THIS JUST IN. At the meeting GordoM from Muskegon Pundit
Did make a positive suggestion at the meeting. Well it looks like he dug in and followed through on the idea. I signed up today and most of the slots are already filled. A "Two Thumbs Take Muskegon Back" for JR. Below is a copy of the email he sent out.
Hi folks!
The elections are over and it's time to remember our Muskegon neighbors in need.

The Muskegon Republicans will be ringing the bells for the Salvation Army on Friday Nov. 28 (yes, the busiest shopping day of the year!) and Wednesday Dec. 3.

We'll be in front of the food entrance at Walmart (on Henry and Norton) and I've attached a spreadsheet with the times and those who have already signed up to be official GOPer Ringers!

You can sign up for an hour, alone or with a friend or add your name to those already signed up and share some fun and and the gift of your time with a fellow Republican.

And, believe it or not, it is fun. Ane very gratifying to see the different families and children digging deep to help others.

And didn't you really want to do something, anything to help others during this holiday season?

So get out your long johns and comfortable shoes and help us show GOPer Love and raise money for one of the best and most efficient charities in our great country.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanaukkah!

Way to go Gordo

Monday, November 17, 2008

Our First Precinct Delegate Designate

Big meeting tonight for my Precinct Delegate Designate plan.

I found a new energetic recruit for a Precinct Delegate Designate slot Precinct #3 Muskegon Heights. Here is the story of that.
I plan to introduce both tonight at the meeting. A kick off of the plan. Larry's will be the first pin I put in the County Precinct Map. Before the meeting I’ll have to buy some colored pins and make up a legend explaining the different colored pins to put on the map. I hope to get the other Precinct Delegates that show up to put their pins on the map also.

I’ve made up a “Precinct Delegate Designate” information packet. It is now complete in hard copy. I will soon have it up on the side bar once I can scan in and link the Precinct maps. Below is the cover letter that goes with it. This explains what is in the packet.
Welcome Larry To The
Muskegon County Republican Party

You are my first Precinct Delegate Designate recruit !

Your Precinct is Precinct #3 of Muskegon Heights.

Monday night I will explain the concept of Precinct Delegate Designate and then Introduce you. Then I will walk over to the map I have set up and put a pin in Precint #3 Muskegon Heights and ask for other Precinct Delegates to see me after the meeting and I will put their pin in their Precinct if they so choose.

In your Precinct Delegate Designate packet, you will find the following.

1. A map of Precinct #3 of Muskegon Heights.

2. A list of all the precincts in Muskegon County,

3. A description of the duties and responsibilities of a Precinct Delegate from the State Republican Party.

4. A description of what a Precinct Delegate Designate is compared to a Precinct Delegate.

I put in with your packet the agenda for the meeting tonight along with the minutes from the last meeting.

Also as I said I added the idea for the Party that we talked about. It is rough but I think you can get the drift. The County is there to help the Precincts not the other way around.

Regards, Bob Carr
Another Proud Precinct Delegate
Live Dangerously Be A Conservative
I also bought a “all in one” copier scanner and will try to get the 71 individual Precinct Maps scanned and online for us.

See you at the Meeting tonight. If you have any questions about the meeting or anything, as always call or email me anytime, any day.

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative

Bob Carr

Saturday, November 15, 2008

A Reminder to Stimulate Progress

Here is a link about the drubbing our Republican Brothers and Sisters took in Kalamazoo. Read it and see if it sounds familiar.
Things said like; “The Republican are just getting weaker and weaker.” Sound all too familiar, and the idea that they lost county wide was another similarity.

Then the quote that landed this story onto this blog. Remember this Blog is supposed to be about organizing Muskegon by precincts and setting up a Volunteer base forming them into Republican Clubs. Read the quote.
Among the worrisome trends for local Republicans:
รข€¢ The highly regarded organization of the Obama campaign means local Democrats now have extensive lists of supporters and volunteers as well as a structure that can be remobilized in the future.
"We now have a permanent precinct organization, a permanent set of people in the neighborhoods talking to people about the issues," Pawloski said.
This blog of ours is called “ORGANIZE-Take Muskegon Back”
The premise is that not only do we have to do what the using the same tools like the internet etc. We will do them one better. We will use our organization to make a real difference in the neighborhoods where we live. We will show case conservative solutions that work. We will get our neighbors and friends to trust us through our actions, then we will win elections.

This is a huge job but it is built with little steps. Finding another like minded person in your neighborhood is the first step. Some neighborhoods are harder to do that in than others. I do it by simply making it a point to go out to a place in my neighborhood I haven’t been before and talking to people. Just passing the time of day. And so it starts. It reminds me of fishing. A lot of fish swim by the bait before one bites. The experienced fisherman learns patience and to enjoy and take interest in his surrouding (your neighborhood) until a fish finally bites and one always does. But it takes a constant thought process to come up with different ideas that we are not used to doing. It has been a learning experience and fun AND a bit of an adventure so far for me.

I’m hoping to use this blog as a means to network with other people in other Precincts so we can share some ideas on how to do just that. Also to bragg up success we have, however small. The buzz has to start somewhere. Sometime.

Here and Now seem fine with me.

I spent an hour down at the County HQ getting it ready for the County Executive Committee Meeting Monday 5:30pm. I printed off copies of my “What is a Precinct Delegate Designate” thing I came up with. Also put up the Metro City Street map with a core board backing, for reference and a visual aid. I have the new Precinct County map up also and will give a talk during the New Business part of the meeting. I will briefly explain my plan of how to organize the Precincts and the new “Designate” term and the reasons for it. I will buttonhole all you Precinct Delegates that attend and put a red (what else) push pin up to represent you in your precinct. When you find a Designate then we’ll put up a yellow pin for them. I just now came up with the thought that maybe a hotel from an old monopoly set could represent a precinct club when ever the first one is started.

Every monthly meeting I will highlight any new additions to the map, and ask if anyone has any new Designates. I’m just starting to work on a blood drive. If you have any ideas on that or a good speaker cheap for a precinct Delegate/Designate get together, I’m all ears. I’m trying to come up with a way to have at least one separate thing a month along with the monthly Executive Committee Meeting. I guess fundraiser along with GOP-Raisers will be needed also. We can play that by ear.

Getting Late.

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative

Always feel free to make a comment. Or call or email.

Bob Carr

Suggestions What do you think ??

I sent this email out last night to several individuals mainly in the party. I'm interested in seeing their reactions if any. Our Executive Committee meeting is this coming Monday at 5:30 at the Henry St HQ. Everyone's welcome.
Thought I'd give them something to talk about. But since this directly is about Precinct politics I decided in the tradition of transparency to post it here.

Suggested Projects (Methods and Goals) For the County Party

1. Speakers Committee
A. Set up a regular monthly speaker meeting.
Try to focus on enthusiasm building.
Just local to start, Get Jerry Van Workhom or
Pete etc to talk. Any one with a good
Republican message.
B. Make sure to push the idea of fun, along with
Motivational and informational.
C. These as with all things we will keep an eye on the
Bottom line. Try to make some money. At
Least break even.
D. Pass the hat, donations for small affairs, or
Something else, like a dinner or anything to
Generate some cash.
2. Fundraising Committee Beyond Membership .
A. Consider all things from baked goods to
The Lincoln Day Dinner.
B. Do the normal pleas for donations from
Corporate Muskegon.
3. Facilitators Committee.
A. Help the PD/PDD and clubs by giving them
Guidance through literature and go to and recruit
People. Come up with ways to help
Them organize their neighborhoods.
4. Infrastructure Committee
A. HQ Sub Committee for the building and
enhancing it, including more electronic
media, Signage, etc.
B. Internet Sub Committee, to build a data base
And a more interactive Web site.
5. Membership Committee
A. Define membership, costs rights benefits.
B. Come up with ways to gain members.
6. Poll Watcher and Poll Challenger Committee.
A. Define purpose and numbers needed
B. Come up with necessary tools for them
To use in their duties. Manuals, contact
Numbers, badges with necklace. What
Ever needed. Use Dems. Method.
7. Voter Registration Committee.
A. Have table set up at all events. With forms.
be creative.
8. Community Outreach Committee
A. Go to schools for education. Speakers
B. Help PD/PDD put on larger Neighborhood
GOP raisers.
C. Set up Larger community events. Blood
Drives . A Canned Food Drive, be creative.
9. Election Committee
A. Candidate subcommittee
B. Put together anything that is needed to
Further the needs of the candidates.
C. Lit drops, Put together signs, Phone banks,
Volunteers for door to door


1. The overall active base will come from the Precinct Delegate/Designate effort, and our established base. We start promoting that yesterday. We continually build that up so that there will be active cells within each Precinct, doing what the Party is doing above but on a smaller scale. This is the back breaking part, that is where the work lies. The County Party for the most part should be an extension of the Precincts efforts. County Committees number 5 - 9 should be made up of PD/PDD who are doing just that in their precincts. These committees should be there to facilitate the Precinct efforts and put on “Gala” county wide Events which will help both the Precinct and County.

The first 4 Committees have to do with motivating and funding the base.

The Concepts

The concept is to win votes, by winning volunteers who go out and into their neighborhoods and win more volunteers. The County Party should be there to facilitate them in their efforts.

The second concept is to help the candidates get elected to office. The first part of that is to get a base of volunteers at the precinct level to draw from for the campaign effort. The second is to have enough money raised to do what needs to be done at the election to help our Party Take Muskegon Back.

The third concept is to build a fully self sustaining Party at the County level that has ample resources self raised beholdin to none but the base. I think $50,000 come election is an obtainable goal. Half of that money should go to building the infrastructure for winning elections, such as phone banks buying lit. promoting the GOP name in the paper, perhaps a larger “Gala” Election rally for all candidates with a big “Draw” and keeping the HQ visible and highly active. The HQ serves as a focus that creates enthusiasm by just walking in. TV playing videos of campaign highlights. Another just on FOX that kind of thing. You can smell victory in an active HQ. This is crucial around election, but also helpful year round to be a focus for our activities especially attracting members.

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative

Friday, November 14, 2008

Why the Extra Blog

I started off with my Live Dangerously blog all about my thoughts on National and sometimes State stuff. You know, philosophizing on the state of the union. Well that was nice and let me vent some of my anger, but the anger always would come back.

Next I came up with my Bottom Up Politic blog and that actually got me out into the community. At that time I also started to get into the local politics of this just finished election cycle. I realized that there was a million things to do and I could politic to my hearts content knowing I could never do it all. Everything I did right or wrong for the most part was accepted as there was noone else volunteering.

For me it was a heady time, I was impressed with the candidates I met, I got to understand from being around them that it wasn't about "philosophising" but more about service to the community. I continued to get into my community meeting people in politics and thru them other people most good some bad. I kept volunteering within the Muskegon County Republican Party anytime someone asked I volunteered unless I was already busy volunteering then I would still try to find a way.

Well I ended up touching most aspects of the campaign. I sat at the headquarters everyday and got to meet all the people coming in for yard signs and other Republican stuff. I got acquainted with all the Candidates and met most of the Dems too. I ended up volunteering for one candidate a lot. Again due to a lack of volunteers and my willingness gradually I became her campaign manager. Really just a glorified gopher but I did feel glorified to be a part of it all and near the end was actually starting to do some of the real Manager stuff. We along with every other Republican county wide candidate in Muskegon lost. That was tough to take as I truly believed we had the better qualified by far candidates. How could that happen?

Now that I have some experiance, at least enough to recognize the mistakes I made and to spot a bunch of things that the party could of done, or done better; I now am setting up this blog in the hope of doing some of those things I feel need to be done to effect the next election. To "ORGANIZE - Take Muskegon Back"

I talked with Holly Hughes awhile back and asked what she needed from the County Party the Most that she didn't get. She simply said more volunteers. Of all the other things the County Party could of done, Holly hit it on the head. We need volunteers. We need them because they are the lifeblood. When they join it means that the County Party is doing it's job by creating a real enough message that people will get behind and enthused about. They are the best advertisers of our message to their friends and family. Beats a robo call anyday.

Our Party's approach seemed self defeating without the new volunteers and the new ideas they bring. Forever drawing on a shrinking base. The party faithful worked long hours and hard but without that extra volunteer effort the base didn't come out to vote. I'm hoping that if we get back to a conservative common sense message, along with foccusing all our efforts into filling each precinct with volunteers and delegates and precinct captains and Republican clubs we can turn this cold blue state to a hot RED one.

The whole of my short experiance in politics has taught me that community service is the cornerstone of politics. Without that the public will continue to throw the bumns out. We have to reform government and politics. We have a lot of National leaders capable of that and we don't have to worry which one, there are easily 5 that are capable of using a true conservative agenda to win the White House in 2012, but they can't do it without the base, and the base needs to be organized some how. The base is the one that has to grow itself. That is what we almost totaly lacked this last time.

That is the purpose of this blog. I am putting out a plan I have which I tried to base upon the current structure of the Party. I based it upon what we claim in the Republican Lit. for the Precinct Delegates that we want. I am setting up this blog in the hopes of actually making it work. As Bobby Jindal says to "Act as we Talk".

Always feel free to contact me. See my side bar upper right for the #s.
I always us the signature of, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative
My name is Bob Carr
231-728-3455 any time.
I am a Proud Precinct Delegate just trying to do his job, I need your help

What is a Precint Delegate "Designate/Volunteer"?

What is a Precinct Delegate "Designate/Volunteer"?
Call it what you will but call it Important

1) As a "Designate/Volunteer" you will have no legal standing in the Party.

2) You will be asked to recruit other Volunteers as fellow "Designate/Volunteers".

3) You will be asked to try to organize your neighborhood, or help your Precinct Delegate to organize your neighborhood.

4) You will be asked come Primary time 2010 to run as a Precinct Delegate, perhaps against other "Designate/volunteerss" you may have recruited.

5) You will be asked to support them as fellow Republicans, with a smile.

6) You will be asked to do as much as you can.

Why Will I Want To Do This?

1) To make a difference, I want legal standing in my Party

2) To make a difference, we need all the Volunteers we can get.

3) To make a difference, my neighborhood needs to be more Republican.

4) To make a difference, I will feel confident that I will make an effective Precinct Delegate when elected, thru my actions and training as a Precinct Delegate "Designate/Volunteer". I will have gotten to know my neighbors and their issues. I will have had a hand in binging the Republican Party back into my Community. I will know that I have earned the right to be a Precinct Delegate.

5) To make a difference, I will need to work with not against my fellow Precinct volunteers.

6) To make a difference, I will not do more than I can, nor should I be expected to. That choice will always remain mine.

7) I will try to remember the goal is to elect Republicans to office, not anything else, having nothing to do with rank, or title. The titles are just part of the game. The real deal is to get votes, find votes, deliver votes.

I might add it's not for the money because there is none and will probably cost you not only money but your most valuable resource. YOUR TIMRE, If still interested read on.

The duties on the organizing front for a "Designate/Volunteer" are essentially the same as a Precinct Delegate. Look at a "Designate/Volunteer" as a Precinct Delegate in training.

Get hold of me or the Party
Bob Carr

Regards, Live Dangerously Be A Conservative